October 26, 2020 PHRF-NB Meeting Minutes

PHRF-NB Minutes of Monthly Meeting

Date:            Monday, October 26, 2020
Time:           1830

Location:     Zoom

I.    Call to Order – 6:40pm

 II.    Roll Call: Don Kern, Commodore, Will Museler, Rating Chairman, Roy Guay, Treasurer, Bob Horton, Secretary, Paul Cronin, board member, Paul Grimes, board member,  Todd Johnston, board member, Ken Madeiro, board member, Moose McClintock, board member, Mark Nannini, board member, Randy Shore, board member, Kathy Rotsky, PHRF administrator

III.    Approval Previous Meeting Minutes: motion made and seconded to accept the September 2020 minutes

IV.    Appeals:

a)        None  


V.    Ratings:

a)               None outstanding October 2020

b)              2 ratings issued via email review by the committee between September meeting and prior to October meeting

i)               Certificate 15324, Van Ki Pass, custom 64, Viv Carpenter designer, owner Fredrick Mills, committee voted via email to assign a provisional base rating of -30

ii)             Certificate 15326, Neith, Herreshoff one off, Van Brown owner, committee voted via email to assign a provisional base rating of 90 

VI.    Old

a)       ORA-1/EZ: VPP Enhanced PHRF ratings

b)       Discussion follows below PHRF-NB Rules and Table adjustments to consider this Fall.

i)      Discussion follow regarding - Request input from members: broad announcement and reply deadline

(1)           e-mail from Randy Shore

VII.    New Business:

a)       Nov. 30th meeting - method will continue to be via Zoom.

b)       Annual meeting will be Wednesday January 27, 2021 via Zoom


VIII.    Adjournment – 9:35pm October 26, 2020

(Email from Randy Shore to Will Museler)


   Looking straight at the wording (rather than the white sheet in the FAQs), I'm not sure we need to make many changes.

   Specifically, I think the reduction is absolutely needed, otherwise I think it would be an ADVANTAGE to have a roller furling (especially below deck). If it's so "low profile" that they are struggling to get to the 2.5%, they have to make a choice. 

   Given a raised tack (even if not far), shortened hoist, and foil and swivel weight aloft - I'm ok with the credit as is, but it should have all three components.

   Ie, keep 1. as is.

    Onto Cruising credit:

       I have a problem with 2.1 - because some folks may have a below deck furler, but still use their single headsail racing/day sailing, etc. as their "only" headsail. So they shouldn't lose the ability to collect the Cruising credit, just because their furler is below deck. I would change this requirement to read; "sail shall be attached to bottom drum, and top swivel on a functional furling system, and shall be furled when not in use and when racing."

    The verbiage on 2.2 is already correct. This can be their only sail larger than 110%, but I don't read this as requiring the sail to be larger than 110%. This fixes the problem of them going from a 150 to a 120, to a 100. But it doesn't fix the problem of them going from a light 108, to a hvy 108, to a 100. Do we need to fix that? Probably not.

    I put some thought into Todd's point about 2.6: "must be woven polyester". There are good cruising options out there that aren't woven polyester. Specifically; 3Di Nordac, and polyester cruising laminates with taffeta (DCX) or liteskin (TEC-LS). There is a bit of an issue this could open up; with a grey liteskin over black polyester, how can we tell if it's not a racing headsail? I guess we would just have to stick with the "self-policing sport". The other issue, is that we are still excluding some "cruising type sails" on larger boats, like SXI, or HydraNet, or Flex Ultra - for the most part cruising options, but because of the spectra - prohibited. And it would be tricky to add, without allowing some 3Di Enduro. 

    I guess how I would write it: The Cruising headsail must be of polyester fibers (no Aramid, technora, Spectra, Ultra-PE, or Carbon), either woven or with a woven taffeta or composite skin (no polyester/mylar only). 



Roller Furler Discussion:


c. Roller Furler Credit (+3) is intended to compensate cruisers not racers

i. Headsails shall comply with the following:

ii. All sails to be used shall have a luff length 2.5% of the I measurement shorter than the head stay length as measured from the deck sheer line to the mast intersection. Should it move to 3% or 4% this would not affect most cruisers and sailmakers could still add foot round.

iii. Furler bottom drum mounted above the deck.

iv. The sail shall be attached to the bottom drum and top swivel, system shall be functional. Should we add must be attached to a metal (aluminum) extrusion

v. The headsail being used shall be the primary race headsail

vi. The sail shall be furled when not in use and racing.

d. Cruising Headsail Credit (+6) This represents 3 sec for roller furler and 3 sec for headsail restriction.

i. Compliance with the Roller Furling Credit requirements (6c).

ii. The cruising headsail is the only headsail greater than 110% used while racing.

iii. The cruising headsail is stored on the head stay when not racing.

iv. The cruising headsail is regularly used as the primary genoa/headsail when the boat is day sailing or cruising.

v. The cruising headsail has a UV leach cover.

vi. The cruising headsail must be of a woven polyester material. Exotic sail cloths are not allowed (Pentax, Mylar, Kevlar, Spectra, Technora, Carbon, etc.).


If cruising headsail credit is issued during the original certificate request it CAN be replaced (dropped) in favor of another sail but CANNOT be reactivate during the same sailing season.

If cruising headsail credit is requested after the original certificate request it CANNOT be replaced (dropped) in favor of another sail during the same sailing season.

Randy Shore brought up below deck furlers on true production cruising boats should be able to get the cruising headsail credit

Members present agreed to table the 2.5% to 4% furler and aluminum extrusion decision until additional information on the impact to existing certificate holders could be determined. A number of production boats do not have an extrusion for their furlers, Class 40, J121, Melges 24

Cruising headsail credit should include language that standard woven polyester material is necessary to receive credit. Randy and Todd to provide appropriate language.

The wording regarding 110% headsails in the roller furler description will be changed to make it more precise

Outboard and Aperture discussion

2 blade props in apertures are they the same as 3 blade – members thought they are not

3 blade in aperture produce more drag than 2 blade

Feathering props will work in an aperture

Outboards still under discussion for adjustments and One Design

Boats with dropbox will be reviewed on a case by case review.

Other modifications for consideration:

Adding or replacing existing sails with larger % sails is a reportable change modification.

Increasing or decreasing mainsail area Don added a chart to show decreased size equivalent to same chart for increased size.

Discussion of the roller mainsail vs size of the sail which credit is more accurate?

In mast furlering mainsails have a greater hollow, heavier mast sections, less sail area, vertical battens, Todd agreed to review.

For undersized sails to receive a credit the owner must provide a certificate from their sailmaker

Per Todd the average cost to measure a sail is $50.00

The same wording for oversized sails should also be in undersized sails

A fee should be assessed for expedited certificate requests.5 days would be the definition for expedited.

Paul Cronin will review what the committee should account for on boats with water ballast and boats removing weight.

Randy Shore suggested that we identify differences in One Design configurations for obtaining a PHRF-NB certificate, we could use a One Design compliance box on the certificate application and any differences would be required to be listed in comments.

It was noted that the term provisional rating is not described in our rules.

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