27 March 2023, PHRF-NB Meeting Minutes

March 2023

Date:          Monday, March. 27, 2023
Time:         1830
Location:   Zoom


  1. Call to Order: 6:48pm
  2. Roll Call: Don Kern, Commodore: Will Museler, Rating Chairman: Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Ec Helme, Committee Member; Mark Nannini, Committee Member; Randy Shore, Committee Member; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB Administrator
  3. Approval Meeting Minutes: Minutes of the February 2022 meeting seconded and approved by the members present.
  4. Appeals: None
  5. Ratings: Review Request:
    1. Sunfast 3300 Will described his discussion with Jonathan Banks at Bluenose Yacht Sales in reference to the Sunfast 33’s to obtain the manufactures specifications for the dimensions of these boats. Will has obtained the base sail plan measurements for the Sunfast 3300. New boats will be using the square top main.
    2. In addition Marshall Bailey of Kingdom Marine acting on behalf of Jonathan Banks, requested the committee supply the rating impact of lengthening the sprit on a new owner’s Sunfast 3300. Which we have not acted on.
  6. Ratings Review:
    1. Certificate 16914 – X50 – Odyssey – Members agreed that the performance issue that the boat experiences is due to the conversion to an asymmetrical spinnaker. In Feb meeting motion was made and seconded to leave the base and adjustments as is for the 2023 season. Will Museler revisited the adjustment chart for converting from a symmetrical to an a-symmetrical spinnaker which gives more credit to heavier boats and benefits cruisers who tack an asymmetrical sail forward of the headstay but within the J measurement guidelines.
    2. Certificate 16992, Liberty, Pogo 36, email from Wes Pelland. The members present agreed that since this boat provided no racing results no action will be taken. Based on the ORC rating the PHRF-NB rating appears correct.
    3. Question surface regarding Mumm 30’s and any credit that they might receive if using only an asymmetrical spinnaker. The current adjustments allow a credit for declaring only carrying an asymmetrical. If both asymmetrical and symmetrical are carried there is no credit.
    4. Discussion of a boat having multiple certificates declaring various sail combinations. There is nothing in our rules that prevents this. It is up to individual clubs to set rules regarding how they handle these situations.
    5. C&C 30’s will be using the 2022 rating that was established for them.
  7. :Old Business
    1. Will updated the ongoing review and tweaking of the Ida Lewis Distance Race to include reaching legs. Polars have been set up for 3 boats to run tests for course options with the goal of having the divisions finish as close as possible to each other. Additional divisions are being considered to provide for tighter rating groups.
    2. Roy’s updated and demonstrated the new web page and changes most importantly for certificate holders is that payment takes place at the end of the process. The demonstration solicited suggestions for more changes or additions which Roy will discuss with the vendor. Overall the new pages look very good.
    3. The EG Racing Seminar has been canceled due to a conflict with the Newport to Bermuda seminar.
  8. New Business:
    1. Meeting April 24th – Zoom
  9. Adjournment: 8:25 pm


From: Wes Pelland <wes@nekasailing.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2023 5:57 AM
To: Kathy Rotsky <phrfadmin@phrf-nb.org>
Subject: Liberty Pogo 36

Hello Kathy,

I’m trying to catch you guys early before things start getting busy.  Our boat Liberty a Pogo 36 you rated last year is what I’m inquiring about. We didn’t end up doing any sailing in NB in PHRF do to having engine issues that preveted us from leaving our area so unfortunately I don’t have any data for you to support our claim but the rating of 6 seems like a mistake. I just want to be sure that you guys are rating the correct boat as we would like to do some sailing in Newport this season with the boat.  Our pogo 36 is a cruising boat with a full interior and a swing keel it does ok off the wind and down wind but doesn’t sail upwind very well and has been given a base boat rating on the Long Island sound and in the SF Bay of 57.   This seems to track as during our weeknight sailing on  Long Island sound with rating of 57 she is not as fast as our local j120s or the figaro 3 Celeritas which you have both rated at 48 we also will lose a short race badly to a j111 at a rating of 44.  Liberty is well prepared she has brand new sails a good bottom all the running rigging has been updated to control the sails as needed and the boat is sailed by a crew that does very well in other boats. Once we start sailing her this season I will have more data but I wanted to get this on your radar during the remainder of the off season.

Thank you for your consideration,
Wes Pelland