May 21, 2018 Meeting Minutes

May 21, 2018 PHRF-NB Minutes

Meeting at Bristol Yacht Club. Bristol, RI

Called to order at 6:30pm

Attendees: Mark Nannini, Commodore; Will Museler, Rating chairman; Roy Guay, Treasurer; Bob Horton, Secretary; Kathy Rotsky, PHRF-NB administrator; Ken Madeiro, board member; Paul Grimes, board member; Paul Cronin, board member

  • Motion to approve the minutes from the previous meeting of 26, 2018 were seconded and approved.

Rating Appeals:

Irie 2 rating appeal certificate 13167

Brian Cunha appeared regarding his rating appeal filed on his boat Irie 2 a Kerr 55. The 2017 rating was -66. Brian supplied extensive documentation regarding his boat. Brian explained that the boat had been weighted at various times but the most recent and accurate was performed at New England Boat Works on the certified scale in the Fall of 2017. The weight was determined to be 10,025 Kg. compared to 9480 Kg. Brian also described his performance in regard to know boats that he frequently competes against. The age and condition of his sails was discussed and Brian indicated that he had purchased a new #1#Di this year. Brian was thanked for his input and appearance and was told that a decision on his appeal would be made this week and that he would be notified of the decision. After extended discussion the members present agreed on a change of 3 seconds per mile credit due to the weight correction.

Shearwater appeal certificate 12965

Chris Bjerregaard appeared regarding his rating appeal filed on his boat Shearwater a 1998 Sydney 36 current rating 52.  Chris presented his background and experience. He indicated that in a normal year 1 to 3 new sails were purchased  and that the current sails on the boat were in good shape. The boat is in his mind well prepared and well sailed with a stable group of crew. In 2014 the boat added an A sail based on completion against other boats with A sails. Chris feels that the older design of this boat creates a situation downwind of the boat being more sticky that his competitors. His feeling was that the Sydney 36 should be compared to the J 112E or rated 60, the same as a Summit 35 that he competes against. Chris was asked to provide his current ORR certificate to assist in deciding his appeal. Chris was thanked for his input and appearance and was told that a decision on his appeal would be made this week when the ORR certificate was received and that he would be notified of the decision.  The committee members discussed the performance and characteristics of the boat and design as well as performance and agreed that once the ORR was received a vote would be taken via email on the final decision.

Subsequent to the meeting the information requested from Chris Bjerregaard was received and numerous emails between the members resulted in a base rating of 60 being agreed on.

Grimace appeal certificate 12995

Dawson Hodge appeared regarding his rating appeal filed on his boat Grimace a J100. Mr Hodge indicated that this was a new boat in 2005 and he and his brother purchased it in 2007. The options on the boat were lifelines and no lightweight boom. He indicated that he was looking for the construction of how his rating had been arrived at. He was extremely concerned that his boat was identified as a One Design. Background documentation from J Boats was reported by Ken Madeiro but not accepted by Mr. Hodge. A lengthy heated discussion ensued with comparisons to other known boats discussed.  Mr. Hodge was thanked for his input and appearance and was told that a decision on his appeal would be made this week.  The committee members discussed the performance and characteristics of the boat and design as well as performance vs other boats of this type. Grimace competes at Wickford YC and competition to compare Grimace against is limited. Current ORC certificates point to where PHRF-NB is with a base of 99 with a 100% jib and A sail tacked to the bow. A discussion on this boat which has been ongoing over the past few months and was documented in the April minutes. Various phone calls and emails have passed between Will Museler and Mark Nannini and Mr. Hodges. In past months Will provided research regarding J100s which supported the performance potential of this design when altered from the original sail configurations. After a lengthy discussion it was agreed to set the base at 99. This is a J 100 with 100% jib and asymetric spinnaker tacked to bow. The standard adjustments will continue to be used for the articulating pole and overlapping genoa.

Here is a section of the letter Will wrote to Mr. Hodgson regarding our decision:

 

“PHRF-NB has decided that the J100 OD Base Rating will be moved from 93 to 99.  We looked at some limited data from another J100 sailing in the OD configuration and its performance and then at what the theoretical performance of a J100 with a 155% would be and determined that the low end of the rating adjustment was not in keeping with the boat’s performance.  In addition, your comment regarding the roller furling was also reviewed and based on current policy the J100 qualifies for a furling adjustment. “

 

I believe we can call the base rating OD based on the documentation Ken supplied, either way I do not think it matters but it does point towards a specific configuration.

 

Will

Old Business

Discussion on A-sails that are between genoas and spinnakers. It was decided that at least for the time being until a better process can be implemented that PHRF-NB would take the additional tack length added to the given LP to = the % of original J. This will result in an onerous adjustment for a large genoa and hopefully discourage these types of specialty sails.

New Certificate Requests:

Certificate 13046 – MARIVAL, Sweden Yachts model 45l, manufactured in 2003, Michael Morandi owner, rated as standard Hanse with standard adjustments. Existing PHRF NE rating of 48 and 57. Committee members present agreed to a provisional base rating of 51.

Certificate 13075 – NYYC001, Melges IC37, 2018 model, Paul Zabetakis owner – this boat is new and 20 will be owned by the NYYC. No sail plan was provided and may not have been finalized at this point making a final base rating difficult. It appears that Paul Zabetakisis the class president.  After reviewing the design and comparing the critical measurements to like boats the committee members present agreed to a provisional base rating of -9. Will Museler to send a letter requesting the sail plan.

Certificate 13076 – Bella Vela, Beneatuea Oceanis 45, 2018 model, Anthony Costanzal owner, this is a new but standard design carrying an ASail attached to the bow. After review and discussion committee members present agreed to a provisional base rating of 99.

Certificate 13133 – SAFIR, Arcona Yachts model 460, 2008 model, Andrew Laifelz, owner – This is a standard Arcona 46 with no modifications, the boat is sailing with a 142% headsail. A previous 2014 PHRF rating from Chicago rated the boat at 15 and ORR rated it as 1.015.  After reviewing the design and comparing the critical measurements to like boats the committee members present agreed to a provisional base rating of 9 with the appropriate credits.

Certificate 13155 – Lorelei, Hanse model 348, 2018 model, David Johnson, owner – This is a new Hanse model with no modifications, the boat is sailing with a 85% headsail. After reviewing the design and comparing the critical measurements to like boats the committee members present agreed to a provisional base rating of 138 with the appropriate credits.

Request from Carl Supansic to review the appeal of his rating by Peter Maloney from June 26 2017. At that time the following decision was rendered.

Upon hearing the testimony from both parties they were excused for the board members to discuss the appeal. Additional documentation was obtained from the 2002 archives of PHRF-NB that the base rating of Phase III had been adjusted in the past based on an appeal from Carl Supancic and that the correct keel configuration was being considered in the original rating calculation. After a lengthy discussion by the members present it was agreed that the correct base rating for 2017 would be 171 and that the parties involved would be notified.

Mr Supansic has been unhappy with this decision and has approached various board members for consideration of the national standard for his boat which is 174.  In the 2017 BYC Millard series Phase III was awarded 1st place once again even using the new rating of 171. In the Mohosa Wednesday Night World’s Pase III finished 3rd in Class 3 Large Non-spinnaker behind a J30 and a C&C34 but ahead of 6 other boats rated faster.  After a discussion the members present voted to leave the 2018 rating for Phase III at 171.

Next meeting TBD.

Adjourned 10:15pm

Submitted by Bob Horton